J.J. Abrams, who launched a new era of Star Wars with The Force Awakens in 2015, is returning to complete the sequel trilogy as writer and director of Star Wars: Episode IX. Abrams will co-write the film with Chris Terrio. Star Wars: Episode IX will be produced by Kathleen Kennedy, Michelle Rejwan, Abrams, Bad Robot, and Lucasfilm.
“With The Force Awakens, J.J. delivered everything we could have possibly hoped for, and I am so excited that he is coming back to close out this trilogy,” said Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy.
J.J. Abrams to write and direct ‘Star Wars: Episode IX’
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I am so excited to be treated to a “original” movie that is actually a retread of ‘Return of the Jedi’… If this is actually the case, I will take both subsequent Star Wars trilogies and unzip my pants and do a number 1 allllll over it.
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Fuck… This isn’t what I had in mind when I hoped for an improvement over Colin Trevorrow. Now I’m expecting Ep 9 to just be Ep 6 all over again.
“With The Force Awakens, J.J. delivered everything we could have possibly hoped for.”
In other words: With TFA, JJ obeyed Kathleen Two-Face Kenney’s closeminded and narrow, not to mention politically driven “vision”, which amounts to nothing more than copy and pasting what’s done before with ZERO new ideas.I’m so disappointed with the sequel trilogy. Disney absolutely shivers at the mere idea of taking small risks. These movies lack originality, heart and tbh… relevance.
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I wouldn’t exactly say great new characters. They’re fine enough, but it’s make or break time with episode 8 for Rey, Finn and co.
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Rogue One was utter garbage. I do not understand how anyone can like that film. So that factors into the equation. Usually, even when I don’t like certain movies, I can still understand why others – critics or fans – do. Avengers is a good example. I don’t like that film, but I understand why others do. Rogue One? I haven’t got a clue. The story makes no sense. The characters are garbage. The editing and pacing is all over the place. Even the effects were mediocre.
TFA however, is not a “bad” film per se. It has everything you want to make it a decent movie. A decent story, likable characters, good CGI, good music (although the worst in the series by far… but John Williams is still king), good editing and so on. The problem is, if you look at TFA as part of something more… part of a 7-part series… then the movie utterly fails on all levels. It’s abundantly clear that Rey is Luke 2.0, only Mary Sued to the extreme. The entire narrative is also a CLEAR copy paste of New Hope, and don’t you deny it. It’s such a rip-off that it took me out of the movie. Well, that and Rey’s bullshit Force prowess. I mean, when Anita “everything is sexist” Sarkeesian praises your protagonist, then you know you’ve got a problem.
I wouldn’t really have that big an issue with the copied story if it at least made sense narratively speaking, but it doesn’t. It shits on the events of the original trilogy. Where does the New Order come from, the Empire was supposed to be destroyed? Why is there a need for a “Resistance” (very original btw)? Why is the Republic not in total power? Right, none of those things matter, because it’s clear when they were copying every single detail from New Hope, that they didn’t bother connecting the dots between Ep 6 and Ep 7. Also, you remember back when they hinted at an entirely new generation of Jedi after Ep 6? Yeah, fuck that potential for great and original stories. Let’s just kill of all the Jedi AGAIN, and start off with them rebuilding the Jedi order AGAIN so they can defeat the Empire, I mean “First Order”… AGAIN. Also, a new fucking Death Star, or excuse me: “Star Killer”?! The level of rip-off would be laughable if it weren’t so damn pathetic.Seriously, every single story point in that movie was specifically done in such a manner to minimize risks, and increase nostalgic factor. TFA – while not badly made – doesn’t even so much as have an ounce of originality or wit. And despite featuring likable characters, they aren’t necessarily good ones. As in they’re hardly developed, except for maybe Rey (whose Mary Sue bullshit annoyed me so much, I already hate the character tbh). I liked Finn, but his motives make no sense, not to mention he’s a total fucking hypocrite. Poe barely has relevance, if at all.
TFA is just such a superficial movie. Once you think about all the details, you’ll realize why nothing makes any sense.And you can say it’s better than New Hope and RoTJ for all I care. I’m not some blind SW fanboy. Unlike most, I realize those movies are incredibly outdated and do NOT stand the test of time, unlike other movies of that time period. But give credit where credit’s due… at least those movies fucking tried and SUCCEEDED at being original, risky films. Heck, the Prequel trilogy is MILES better than TFA and Rogue One in that regard as well. At least the prequels had original and far deeper narratives (only the execution was so bad). Why do you think TFA’s music was so generic compared to the other films? Because John Williams HIMSELF admitted he had a hard time coming up with anything new because the film itself does NOT even offer anything new to begin with.
TFA is a hollow and superficial movie elevated by good filmmaking (good editing, decent music, good performances, nostalgia, etc).
So yeah… After TFA being a total disappointment (and I didn’t even have that high expectations to begin with), Rogue One being complete and utter TRASH, Han Solo movie being in WB-level drama stage, yes… I don’t give a shit about this trilogy anymore, considering the third movie will once again be directed by the one guy who ruined TFA. At best, this is 1 out of 3 (for me). We’ll see with The Last Jedi, but frankly, I expect nothing from that movie. The trailer bored me and I won’t even bother watching any more SW movies in theater. It’s foolish to think that JJ will make me like Ep 9, when I clearly don’t like what he did with Ep 7. And MAYBE that wouldn’t matter if the studio had a great vision, except… they don’t. Their vision is: “do what’s been done before. Stick to what works”.
I mean, you would be the FIRST to tell others it’s idiotic to assume people who hated MoS and BvS will or could possibly still like JL. Sure, the possibility is there (ignoring Whedon’s involvement), but you have to admit, those chances are pretty fucking slim.
The only SW I actively care about, is the Obi-Wan movie. I don’t give a shit about Ep 9 with JJ at the helm. I hardly care about Ep 8. And I have zero hope, nor excitement for Han Solo.-
1: Opinion, but I’m genuine. I thought Rogue One was a bad film in nearly every way.
2: Yes it is. A rogue droid chased by the “First Order” (aka Empire 2.0) for a hidden message that could help the Resistance (aka Rebels 2.0) win the war. Sound familiar? Lead role played is a nobody on a desert planet, has nothing to live for and goes with a mentor type character on an adventure across the galaxy. Sound familiar? Said mentor type character dies at the end of the 2nd act. Sound familiar? Resistance fights off First Order’s ultimate weapon, aka the Deathstar 3.0. Sound familiar? It far from ends here.
Of course it’s not a complete copy. But it’s close enough to the point that it’s just blatantly noticeable. Or do you think this widespread complaint is just a coincidence?
3: I’m sorry… but comparing Luke’s feats to Rey’s in-explainable force prowess takes the meaning of mental gymnastics to a whole new fucking level. It took Luke 3 years to perform a simple force pull, plus he at least had some lessons from Obi-Wan, despite the fact that Luke’s supposed to be the strongest Force user ever with the exception of his father (also, Anakin was literally a Force-God, and even HE couldn’t match Rey’s prowess). Rey did that in a matter of seconds without any training nor knowledge of the force, AND she outclassed Kylo Ren – an apprentice with decades worth of training – his force grip in the process. NONE of the previous films have shown this to be remotely possible. She knows how to fly, which is never explained. At least Luke’s flying skills were explained. She’s the best mechanic in the business (which is fine, but her being better than Solo at fixing the Falcon is 100% bullshit. But admittedly, this is a smaller complaint). She knows how to handle a fucking lightsaber with ZERO training. Last time I checked, Luke did NONE of these things. And by the time he wielded a saber for the first time, he lost his freaking hand. Rey actually beat the main bad guy – again, who had decades worth of experience and training – the very first time she ever held a lightsaber. Suggesting that “a rough childhood” is enough to take on advanced force users is ludicrous on all levels. And I don’t care about “Buuuut, Kylo Ren was injured!”. That’s just lazy writing. There is simply no way Rey could hope to stand a chance against such a foe, injured or otherwise. She also masters the Jedi mind trick. Again, this took Luke YEARS. Rey did this in a matter of seconds, despite not even knowing such a technique exists in the first place. Exactly how is there no difference?
The only thing Luke did which was mildly impressive is taking the shot to blow up the DS. That’s NOTHING compared to Rey. Especially when it was clearly stated that Luke had already acquired great skill and precision with flying and shooting in aircraft. None of Rey’s magical abilities make any sense whatsoever, and they go completely against the canon. If Luke had showed equal talent and raw power with the Force back in New Hope, you wouldn’t hear me complain about Rey. But this is a matter of inconsistency. It’s not an opinion. Rey’s feats are factually way too impressive to take seriously. I sincerely cannot think of a bigger Mary Sue character than Rey. I’m being completely serious. Not one character comes to mind.
I honestly don’t care if none of these things bother you… but to deny these facts, that I don’t get. She’s an overpowered Mary Sue, and the fact that this was largely politically driven just pisses me off, to be honest.-
But you have to admit, RotJ did it in a different way. It was also still on Tatooine, so it wasn’t like they were copying anything. They were tying up loose ends, nothing more (Jaba had been mentioned and hinted at in the previous 2 films).
I still don’t buy a word of what you’re saying. This complaint was widespread. And if you’ve proved anything, it’s not that TFA was original and didn’t copy anything… it’s more so that TFA was just as unoriginal, and copied from different films, instead of just one. I don’t care if it copied New Hope, or Empire, or Return of the Jedi. Or all of them at once. What I care about is all of these plot points are not original and are clearly copy pasted from the previous movies without anything new or witty to differentiate it. The biggest criticism TFA faced, is the fact that it wasn’t original and copied so many things. People aren’t making that up, I’m afraid. -
In the words of Han Solo: “That’s not how the Force works”.
Look, I’m fine with Rey being Force prodigy. I don’t care if she’s better than most. What I care about, is her feats are blatantly inconsistent with the previous films. If the previous movies had stated lightsaber combat skills derive exclusively from the connection to the Force, then I wouldn’t mind her skills, but that has NEVER been the case. Heck, if that were the case, Obi-Wan would never have stood a chance against Anakin, as Obi is actually not that Force-gifted. But he’s still one of the very best combatants in the Jedi Order, if not the best with few exceptions (Yoda, Mace and Anakin sorta). These skills derive more so from years, if not decades of training. Same with the mindtrick. This is stated to be one of the harder Force abilities to master, yet Rey did this with ZERO training. She also beats Kylo Ren with ZERO training. You say “The Force” disproves that, but it doesn’t. The Force doesn’t magically grants her fighting skills. Again, that’s not how it works. You know what did grant her those skills? The lazy script.
If Kylo had been equal to Rey in terms of skill (or lack thereof), then I wouldn’t mind. But Kylo is almost 30 during the events of TFA, while Rey is 18 or 19 (this is official btw, I’m not assuming things). That means, that at the very LEAST, Kylo has had 20 years of training. People say “but his training wasn’t complete”. Yeah, so what? Neither was Anakin in Ep 3 and he was still a fucking beast after only 10-15 years of training, and Kylo is his grandson after all. I mean, this is a guy who stopped lasers mid-air, a feat so impressive that no one’s ever done it before. He invented entirely new Force techniques on his own (Force interrogation). He defeated the entire new generation of Jedi (with help, but still). Heck, he even received training from none other than Luke himself… Yet I am supposed to believe that a young nobody, 18 years of age, with no understanding or mastery of the Force, with no relevant fighting skills, zero experience… is able to best a bred warrior with decades worth of training and experience, just because he was injured? I’m sorry, but that’s a huge middle-finger to the audience’s intelligence.I also don’t think you really know what a Mary Sue is. Mary Sue’s are not “powerful” or “skilled” characters. A Mary Sue is defined as a nobody who has inexplainable gifts and skills, and beats every obstacle with said skills. This perfectly describes Rey (And Luke as well, to a certain extent). It doesn’t describe Superman, or Batman… Neither does it describe Supergirl, Wonder Woman or Batgirl. Because Superman is not a “nobody”. His powers are not ill-explained. Wonder Woman is a princess. Her skills derive from centuries of training. Batman is a billionaire with decades worth of experience, etc… But Rey? She’s a nobody. She’s a low rank character (socially speaking), she’s practically a slave. Her skills are NOT explained. Being strong in the Force is completely fine, I have no issue with that, because that’s consistent with the lore. But her flying skills, mechanical skills (again, to a lesser degree) and especially her combat and force skills are as a matter of fact, NOT explained. Yet she has them anyways and beats the main bad guy without even so much as taking a single hit or scratch. She’s the epitome of a Mary Sue.
That’s why people are whining about her, yet NO ONE is saying a thing about Wonder Woman (the movie), despite the fact that Diana is a much stronger and more powerful character. And to be honest here, this IS political correctness. You know why? Kathleen Kennedy and JJ aren’t denying it. In fact, they wanted everyone to know. The only ones denying it are the fans.
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And where exactly does Yoda say these skills derive from the Force? He doesn’t.
The Force is the “weapon”. It’s not the means how to use it. Has never been. Yoda’s point is, once you’ve mastered said “weapon” (being the Force obviously), it has no limits. It’s limited by the SKILLS of the user (that’s why Luke wasn’t able to do what Yoda could, despite the fact that Luke is stronger with the Force than Yoda). In order to find one’s limits, you have to have those skills to begin with. The point is, Rey does NOT have those skills (or at least, she couldn’t have them based on her life experience). Yet she’s shown to have practically no limits regardless. That’s why I take issue with all of this. It’s just not consistent with the previous films. And suppose that the only thing one needs is the Force, and experience and training matters not in the least bit (which is what you’re suggesting. Be honest, this sounds ridiculous)… even then it still matters what Luke and Anakin did before. Because both of them are stronger in the Force than Rey will ever be. Luke is debatable, but Anakin is literally the Chosen One. A Force God. If Force sensitiveness was all that mattered… how come it took Anakin at least 10 years of training to learn how to handle a lightsaber? Given the fact that Anakin is stronger than Rey in every way, shouldn’t he also be able to defeat Darth Maul in 2 seconds? Why did it take years for Anakin to use the Force properly? Again, if Rey does it on her first try with no understanding of the Force, then why couldn’t Anakin? Why wasn’t he able to do it?
You see, THAT is why I’m comparing the characters. Because this analogy proves Rey is beyond overpowered, and I fucking hate it.“She does not carry that same angry, impatient sense of purpose.”
Yet she’s still a completely lost soul, who unlike Luke, doesn’t even have a purpose to begin with. I also wouldn’t call Luke “angry” (that describes Anakin more so), but Rey is still naive, ignorant, lost, emotionally hurt and so on. So even with this logic, she shouldn’t know how to defend herself.“You act like these abilities are just, like, some superpowers or something”
No, I “act” like they are SKILLS. Skills are learned. Powers are not. You are the one treating it as a power. Rey has never bothered to learn anything, therefore she couldn’t have that skill. Even if it was all about “clearing your mind”, she shouldn’t even know how to do that, yet she does anyways, because reasons.” I suppose he’s a “Marty Sue” for being supposedly “more powerful” than Vader because Vader only ever controlled objects of mass, not energy..? His force choke wasn’t as physical as Vader’s, therefore inconsistent..?”
Again, this proves you don’t know what a Mary Sue even is. Mary Sue’s are NOT, “powerful” or “strong” characters. Mary Sue’s are characters whose powers or skills derive from nowhere and are ill-explained. Kylo trained for decades, so it’s only logical to assume he mastered advanced Force skills. Just because Vader never showcased the same skill, doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be able to do so at the same point in his life as Kylo Ren. Whereas both Luke and Anakin could NEVER have done the same things as Rey did so early on in their Jedi careers. That’s the difference. -
Thank you! Finally someone agrees with my statement on her not being a Mary Sue.
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Btw, you are acting as if Rey has it all figured out… She hasn’t. Even if everything was just about the “state of mind” (which is clearly not true, but for argument’s sake, let’s go with it), she only “figured it out” at the very END of the movie. Which already, is bullshit, as it would take seasoned Jedi Masters to “figure” that out, I would think (seriously, if that’s all that mattered, then why even train with Luke? Why bother? She clearly knows how the Force works and is able to defeat advanced Force users with incredible skill), but whatever. Being that this illogical and highly convenient enlightenment only came at the very end of the fight at the end of the movie, that means everything else proceeding it is still completely UNEXPLAINED. She was afraid before and during fighting Kylo. She was also angry with him murdering his father. She went in scared and angry (= emotionally lost). Exactly how did her state of mind help her hold off against Kylo for as long as she did? Exactly how did she master the Force pull, beating Kylo’s own pull? Exactly how did she master the mind trick? Explain to me how she bested Kylo’s interrogation technique, despite being emotionally damaged during all of these scenes? If everything you say is true, you are only aiding me in my argument that it SHOULDN’T be possible for her to do any of these things. If she was emotionally stable and mastered the “Force” trick (as in, let it flow through your body) at the beginning of the movie, THEN you’d have a decent argument (It would still be laughable, considering that’d make her even more overpowered and perfect). Then it would be logically consistent. But now you’ve merely explained the Force (and I don’t believe your explanation), and said explanation doesn’t justify her feats whatsoever.
So either Kylo is a weak moron with zero understanding of the Force, and no combat skills whatsoever (which couldn’t possibly be true, considering he performed incredible feats earlier in the film) OR… Rey is just an overpowered Mary Sue. I’m betting on the latter. -
The Force grants its users faster reflexes. It’s literally stated in the film. This doesn’t require for Anakin to tap into the Force so to speak. He’s genetically faster than others without the Force. So that comparison isn’t entirely accurate. Luke’s shot is more accurate, but even then, taking a shot (which was stated in the film, he was already very accurate using aircraft) is nothing compared to what Rey is doing. The act of aiming a missile, and fighting in LS combat is so catastrophically different.
“very idea of being able to accomplish impossible, magical feats is what has always been fun about the force.”
To a certain extent, yes. But what Rey’s done far exceeds that… Again, if it was a “one time” type thing, it would be more acceptable. But her magical feats never end and she does them all throughout the movie. It’s just too much. Luke did such a thing ONCE. Anakin’s feats in Ep 1 at the end were also stupid and overboard (especially since he was a kid), but at least that’s where it ended. He didn’t magically USE the force in any way, nor did he participate in LS combat.“So if your entire argument boils down to the fact that she bested a more trained force user who underestimated her at first and then engaged her while wounded then that’s a pretty weak argument to be so confident in.”
You see, this is the weakest argument I have ever heard, not just from you, but from anybody concerning this movie. I don’t care if Kylo Ren had half the training he had. I don’t give a flying fuck if he had received no real training from Luke before. It does not matter to me if he had been blown to shit and lost all of his limbs. An apprentice of that skill and experience would STILL EASILY beat a nobody the likes of Rey, who’s received zero training and has zero experience.
I simply don’t care if Kylo was “shot”. It clearly didn’t stop him from outrunning both Rey and Finn, and again, this is just a poor plot point to poorly justify Rey’s bullshit victory. Kylo is LIGHTYEARS ahead of Rey in every single way possible. He didn’t “underestimate” her, as there’s nothing to underestimate. She has no skill. She has no training. She has no experience. I don’t care if I’m facing a 5 year old Einstein, despite his clearly superior POTENTIAL, I know that I’m able to best him in maths and science, because I’ve had vastly more experience and education than he’s had at that point. And even if I had migraines. Even if I had a blackout. Even if I barely studied, or if it just “wasn’t my day”…. I still know for a FACT that I would beat a 5 year old Einstein in a simple Algebra contest.
That’s how I view Rey vs Kylo.Obviously, with this logic, she could never beat Kylo for at least the next decade or two… so I’m fine with her beating Kylo at the END of her journey, in Ep 9. That’s just how story progression works. Because at that point, she’ll have trained with Luke of all people, and she’ll be at the height of her abilities. Same with Luke. Luke had trained with Yoda, and between the events of Ep 5 and 6, he “finished his training”. That’s why his victory over Vader was believable. If he bested Vader in Ep 4, THEN you’d have an argument.
But honestly, I’m not going to convince you. You clearly aren’t going to convince me, so what do you say and let this conversation go and move on? I’ve made myself clear, and so have you. No point in repeating the same things over and over again.
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“it’s stated as if Anakin can see the future.”
Yeah, that’s what I meant. The point is that this “ability” doesn’t particularly require training of any sorts, that’s my point. He doesn’t really need to control the force in order to see things before they happen.“with the force on the Millennium Falcon with the training droid. “
No. That’s not even remotely comparable. That’s BASIC padawan training meant for “younglings”. I am talking about immensely impressive feats such as those of Rey and Luke’s feat at the end. Him merely blocking a laser from a practice droid, or whatever it’s called, is irrelevant in the face of Rey’s incredible feats.“Luke destroying the Death Star wasn’t a “one off””
I am talking about New Hope. Not the trilogy.“Think of the lightsaber fights in the prequels, they are far more advanced in choreography than the lightsaber fights of the OT…does that make Luke and Vader shitty duelists in retrospect..? No. It’s simply a different time in cinema, a different manner in which the film was made.”
You’ve presented this argument several times now, yet I find it to be your weakest. At best you’re still admitting Rey’s abilities are canonically bullshit. Rey’s abilities are not simply a matter of “style”. They affect narrative, unlike the flashy prequel fights.“Kylo Ren is not Vader, Vader was a completely trained Sith Lord. Luke held his own against him before completing his training in Episode V.”
Vader was toying with Luke and had no intention of killing him. He could have ended the fight in 2 seconds and you know it. Furthermore, the “not a full Sith” argument is so fucking worthless. The difference in skill between Kylo and Rey is still beyond comprehension. I don’t care if “he didn’t finish his training”. He’s had 25 years of it. You’re literally saying: “well, Kylo wasn’t that good, because his training wasn’t complete, that’s why he lost”, ignoring the fact that Rey has ZERO training. She hasn’t done anything whatsoever that could aid her in LS combat. Why is Kylo’s unfinished training a valid training when it comes to Kylo. But when it comes to Rey – who frankly, has NO training to speak of – that suddenly doesn’t matter anymore?
To be honest, I’m done. It’s clear that you don’t care about this clear and factual double standard. Nothing’s necessarily wrong with that, but I’m saying it affected my enjoyment of the film greatly. No point in talking to you about this, so don’t bother responding because I’m not reading it (I just don’t see why it’s worth the time. I don’t find any of your arguments to be convincing at all). Take care, mate.
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Chris Terrio , who co-wrote BvS and JL, will also co-write Star Wars Episode IX. Interesting !
Fuck you JJ Abrams, fuck you!!!!