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20th Century Fox has two very different, highly anticipated superhero movies on tap for release in the first half of 2016. One is the eighth installment in a long-running franchise—a “disaster movie” twist on a superhero series we’ve come to know and love. The other is the first installment in a hopeful franchise, but it’s unlike any other superhero movie that’s come before—it’s R-rated, it breaks the fourth wall, and it’s kind of a comedy. The real kicker, though, is that between X-Men: Apocalypse and Deadpool, Fox will be entering the “shared universe” era in a big way: the tonal diversity of this new multi-film universe is striking, and this is a very good thing.

Yesterday, Steve got the chance to speak with a man who is intimately involved in all things pertaining to Fox and superheroes: producer/writer Simon Kinberg. He co-wrote and produced X-Men: Apocalypse, and he produced Deadpool. During this wide-ranging, exclusive conversation, Kinberg touched on the scope and scale of Apocalypse, the film’s dealings with the father/son relationship between Magneto and Quicksilver, the pansexuality of the titular character in Deadpool, that film’s massive appeal, and much more.

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